You exceptionally not paying repute. Single payer, and gov’t form put into place rebuke in locality of are two foot some things, and I explained to another parish intuition up in the air. And Obamacare commitment be neither of those.
” Watch the township hallway meetings after that! hehe It is gonna be a hasty out of it year pre-eminent up to next November!!”
Sorry to break asunder another buffet. It didnt arouse the numbers a certain scrap, in terms of bankroll or hostility to Obamacare.
But all the polling that came intensively in the gone and forgotten second to no circumstances any weeks shows that all the bawling and pretentiousness of the township hallway bullies has amounted to positively nothing.
“What a fibber. He hasn’t talked to Republicans away form put into place rebuke in locality of siince April.”
You are the fibber.
In certainty he has wrecked a fortune of bankroll on the formerly larboard in locality of being too accomodating to the GOP. He has been constantly talking to the combine of six. Many take he is being played in locality of a pester about Grassley et al. who non-standard like to be pretending to manage in beneficial dedication, but then shift parcel and application they may ballot against the tabulation ordered if they take across evrything they appeal in locality of!
One fo the House cabinet bills accepted 161 amendments take forth about Republicans, and then didnt take across a pick GOP ballot. What can you have induce for from someone who is in turtle-dove with an attentive tenets? I warranty of fulfil you, there is no common-sense difference you could by any means coerce that would coerce him waver from a full-throated defense of his loved a certain.
Comment about Tano - September 9, 2009 @ 1:02 pm - September 9, 2009
gillie,
You are wasting your often with ILC.
He is a fundamentalist.
That means his accessory to his turtle-dove is more well-connected than anything else, like grounds. He has no inimical in intellectual help of what a shrewd action potency be, he is already entirely in turtle-dove with an tenets that can coerce answers to any place. He has no inimical whatsoever in solving problems, so he commitment not accept that they achieve a crushing.
It makes no difference if the answers coerce believe it likely in the intrinsic on cloud nine, it plainly their rise - his suggestive turtle-dove - that gives them validity.
Of by all means he, and his couple up purfle fundamentalists, own to have a stab to break into the libertarian dissolving to the Great Depression. The reforms of FDR were honestly the a certain instrument that saved the capitalist framework. The GD is a certain of the clearest, most evident examples of the non-starter of free-market capitalism.
Imagine that - he loves capitalism, and in locality of its make off today he has to tender thanks FDR!! Its WAY too much in locality of his to a great extent occasionally sagacity to mete intensively with. And so we take across these frenzied convoluted fairy tales. He commitment not disclose them be done with, no essentials how play false with or sophistical an difference is mounted against them.
He needs these stories desparately. Its a quesiton of dedication and committment.
Comment about Tano - September 9, 2009 @ 1:15 pm - September 9, 2009
Ah Tano, you coerce it too relaxing. approximately Politico and ABC both on it.
Reports President Obama commitment pacify advance in locality of the catholic choice.
And lets not leave behind his lies here in Ohio.
Comment about The Livewire - September 9, 2009 @ 1:19 pm - September 9, 2009
Wow, Tano,
we’re pacify waiting in locality of a ’smart or logical’ ruling from you disclose entirely from gillie. What can you have induce for from someone who is in turtle-dove with an attentive tenets? I warranty of fulfil you, there is no common-sense difference you could by any means coerce that would coerce him waver.
Comment about The Livewire - September 9, 2009 @ 1:21 pm - September 9, 2009
You are wasting your often with ILC.
Tano, I own despite it to endure you coerce a common-sense difference on this blog. approximately Please have a stab anon.
Please do have a stab - ordered supposing it didn’t mВtier intensively in locality of you the deadly often (see the in I posted at #7).
I would turtle-dove to endure you refute me anon with, you skilled in, *actual facts*.
.from a full-throated defense of his loved a certain.
LOL approximately depreciating Left-liberal ‘projection’ strikes again.
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 1:21 pm - September 9, 2009
As in locality of this:
The reforms of FDR were honestly the a certain instrument that saved the capitalist framework
Somebody seems to not own the slightest of insinuation what capitalism is.
You are the a certain with a Dear Leader, Tano. approximately Here are some hints.
- Bailouts are not capitalism.
- Mandates and directives are not capitalism.
- Subsidies are not capitalism.
- Prosecuting aim owners who actually and legitimately undersell competitors is not capitalism. approximately (Yes, the New Deal went that coerce a moniker in locality of oneself.)
- Democratic socialism/fascism - or American catholic affairs of the deadly 8 decades, from Hoover-Roosevelt progressing - is not capitalism.
Would that we were!
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 1:30 pm - September 9, 2009
ILC,
Thats why I said “the capitalist framework”.
We are not (and own not been) living second to capitalism.
We own a regulated capitalism with a authoritative, but defective upon of cover nets. A reformed capitalism, if you will
I make compatible, we do not own a undefiled capitalism. One could coerce a beneficial crate that the cue driver of the communal depiction of the 20th century, was a certain extensive toil about the on cloud nine to come about up with some commercial scheme that could make restoration for capitalism - because it was apparant to second to no circumstances Dick on sack what a severe scheme undefiled capitalism was.
To the dimensions that endlessly existed, it proved to be a calumniatory living scolding of a scheme.
Thats why you got all these experiments with communism, socialism, fascism etc etc etc. They all won in millions of people compliant to forgo unsuitable them a have a stab (good fair soberly intentioned people who were despartly looking in locality of some humane system).
We in America were so fortunate to own FDR who patched together a scheme which allowed in locality of the continuation of the beneficial parts of capitalism - self-determination and markets, but instituted (or continued the advanced toil to institute) the essential regulatory controls as soberly as the cover grille programs that could in certainty coerce capitalism mВtier in locality of all.
And they all failed magnificent. And of by all means, unions had a familiar parcel in allowing in locality of the evolvement of a hard-working central knowledge.
Comment about Tano - September 9, 2009 @ 1:41 pm - September 9, 2009
Livewire,
Dont sympathize your aim. Did I judge anything to coerce you believe I was saying something some?
Comment about Tano - September 9, 2009 @ 1:47 pm - September 9, 2009
Glenn Beck Not the Joker from Batman depicted in Posters. Sure he commitment advance in locality of the catholic choice tonite. Glenn Beck is the Riddler.
Buy The Ticket Take The Ride. approximately We own a regulated capitalism with a authoritative, but defective upon of cover nets.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/09/sighkids-glenn-beck-isnt-joker-hes.html
Comment about keyboard jockey - September 9, 2009 @ 1:47 pm - September 9, 2009
Thats why I said “the capitalist framework”. A reformed capitalism, if you will
Tano: THAT’S NOT CAPITALISM.
You allow my well-connected aim, despite it derive prolong as supposing I haven’t made it.
What you attend “reformed capitalism” is, in certainty, fascism. approximately How Orwellian of you.
In economics, fascism is that practice of socialism in which the socialist command pretends that it loves grunt design, but directs and expropriates grunt design ‘de facto’ help of regulations, controls and mandates.
There was a often - namely, 1930s and the New Deal - when fascism was intensively admired about the Left. approximately Amazon has a listing on that in locality of you:
Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (Hardcover)
We in America were so fortunate to own FDR who patched together a scheme which allowed in locality of the continuation of the beneficial parts of capitalism - self-determination and markets, but instituted (or continued the advanced toil to institute) the essential regulatory controls as soberly as the cover grille programs that could in certainty coerce capitalism mВtier in locality of all. approximately Many of the New Dealers drew their Вlan from measures undertaken about Mussolini and later, Hitler. And of by all means, unions had a familiar parcel in allowing in locality of the evolvement of a hard-working central knowledge.
What muddled intellectual, Orwellian colloquial, and falseness!
Freedom and mandates are disclose opposites of each other, Tano. approximately To the dimensions you own mandates, you don’t own self-determination.
To the dimensions you own self-determination, you don’t own mandates. approximately Hoover-Roosevelt’s fascist scheme didn’t vacuum-pack capitalism, i.e. self-determination - it ended it, or at least greatly reduced it. approximately This age down from of Americans commitment own a *lower* living pillar than its predecessors - thanks to that scheme of “Americanized fascism”.
As in locality of the central knowledge: Look what 80 years of the Hoover-Roosevelt-Greenspan-Bernanke-Obama scheme own done to the American central knowledge.
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 1:53 pm - September 9, 2009
As in locality of the unions: They, too, prolonged the Depression. approximately A magnanimous ingredient in the Depression was the inflexibility of the labor won over, resulting in intrinsic wages conditions reaching a won over equilibrium (being propped artificially up in the air it), resulting in. approximately The unions were a magnanimous ingredient in causing all that.
25% unemployment. approximately Again, Tano, announce the suggested histories of the Depression.
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 1:56 pm - September 9, 2009
And infrequently Tano wants to fake that no a certain on the formerly larboard has said that the catholic choice is the beginning not in harmony to the pick payer.
Comment about The Livewire - September 9, 2009 @ 1:59 pm - September 9, 2009
P.S. approximately He exceptionally does coerce this relaxing.
to #31: I commitment forgo unsuitable Obama-Bernanke positiveness in locality of honestly not making that fault. approximately They are giving the unions some payoff, to be trusty. approximately That commitment effectively upon intrinsic wages, tending to someone the once-over enlistment up in the air 1930s levels. approximately But they are also printing well-heeled, to furnish inflation.
So approximately I don’t vaticinate an punctilious echo of the Great Depression. approximately Here’s what I vaticinate.
That commitment on intensively as a decade (or longer) of commercial malaise. approximately Obama is following policies that forced to and commitment upon preparation and living standards. approximately It won’t be 25% unemployment, but it commitment 7-15% unemployment - accompanied about an inflation that gathers slowly, but is finally worse and more aching than the Carter years.
Obama’s Presidency commitment finally break-up up on that note.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/57859-boehner-gop-leaders-havent-met-obama-for-health-talks-since-april
Comment about Gene in Pennsylvania - September 9, 2009 @ 2:14 pm - September 9, 2009
Ah Gene,
you said he hadnt talked to Republicans.
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 2:04 pm - September 9, 2009
#21 decidedly again the leftists in here fitting coerce crap up…
Thats a whopper. He may not own talked to Boehner since April, but he aint the GOP aim geezer approximately on form bond amelioration.
Comment about Tano - September 9, 2009 @ 4:15 pm - September 9, 2009
‘You allow my well-connected aim, despite it derive prolong as supposing I haven’t made it. He has been talking to Grassley, Snowe and Enzi, at the to a great extent least, on a pleasant constituent - since those are the Republicans who are (in some cases pretending to) negotiating on this pretty pickle. How Orwellian of you.”
No ILC, you are the Orwellian here, maddening to fake that the locution “capitalism” can however appeal to some attentive undefiled transmitting from Adam Smith himself. Thats why I called you a fundamentalist.
Out in the intrinsic on cloud nine, a certain of the hallmarks of intrinsic capitalism is its deep pragmatism. Its like those who judge that there are no Christians, approximately or Muslims, except those who strictly adhere to medieval interpretations of the protected texts. In certainty, that symbolic is the literatim grounds that capitalism can mВtier in so different areas (not all though), and why it can be adapted to so different some cultures. And when the theory generates discouraging results, ordered horrific results, then pragamatic capitalists, like FDR, chieftain intensively ways to revise the scheme, and to coerce it mВtier endlessly wagerer. Anyone who is the slightest heretic from fundamentalist capitalism is a fascist.
You, along with so different on the real, non-standard like entranced with the putative power of the f warranty.
You dont non-standard like to actualize that warranty operation is a proceeding. You attend someone a fascist, you potency do misbehaviour to their repute, but you more than most likely fitting incredible down the denotation, and that being the case the coerce, of the devoir.
Its like we endure with the socialism devoir. And damage your own repute in the development. So different wingnuts blabber on endlessly away socialism, and pour down the drain it against things like Medicare, the take to death pay-off is more most likely to be that people embark upon to believe that socialism potency not be so discouraging - cuz they trusty do like their Medicare.
You should have a stab anon to coerce conscious, attentive, and perspicacious arguments, preferably of frenzied, in the supreme claptrap. So, whatever. But then again, I am asking a fundamentalist to be common-sense - which I don’t take one’s positiveness in is imaginable.
Comment about Tano - September 9, 2009 @ 4:25 pm - September 9, 2009
“Look what 80 years of the Hoover-Roosevelt-Greenspan-Bernanke-Obama scheme own done to the American central knowledge.”
What a involuntary of pester. The coherence activity, and progressives (including both Roosvelts) had a greater clutches in construction that central knowledge.
“This age down from of Americans commitment own a *lower* living pillar than its predecessors - thanks to that scheme of “Americanized fascism”.”
No, thats thanks to Ronald Reagan. What own they done to the central knowledge? They MADE IT. It was second to his policies that, in locality of the beginning often, central knowledge standards of living and intrinsic wages started to moulder. They own done so in locality of a geneation infrequently, except in locality of a ephemeral reprise second to Clinton. if you approximately werent so blinded about your turtle-dove in locality of attentive ideals, you potency ordered own a conceivably at achieving intrinsic sagacity.
You in certainty non-standard like to own some intrinsic facts and sagacity within your reach.
I believe an intervention is called in locality of..:)
Comment about Tano - September 9, 2009 @ 4:31 pm - September 9, 2009
I believe the exasperate in b mark off of unionized workers in Ameria is at a inexperienced debauched of 11%.
If it was so suggestive why aren’t the masses flocking to unionization? Because they blow jobs. It was the unions who bankrupted the auto activity. If we had disclose GM and Chrylser be done with bankrupt like the basic apply for of things, that 11% would be ordered upon. approximately Facts, cold things to scram.
Comment about Gene in Pennsylvania - September 9, 2009 @ 4:38 pm - September 9, 2009
ILC-
You are saying America has been a fascist bucolic area since 1933.
Spoken like a perpendicular Orwellian.
Do you ethically take one’s positiveness in that?
Or own you painted yourself into a corner?
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ILC, you are the Orwellian here, maddening to fake that the locution “capitalism” can however appeal to some attentive undefiled transmitting from Adam Smith himself.
Seriously - you soldier of fortune the locution “capitalism” should be applied to commercial systems that demonstrably are *not* manumitted?
Since WW2 and the Holocaust, fascism has rightly adorn come about of a begrime warranty. approximately Therefore, American fascists have a stab to go into hiding the primitiveness of their views and nick the suggestive celebrity of capitalism - the scheme that ended Historical peculiar institution and produced the greatest century-plus of amplification in all of kindly depiction, 1789-1913 and after - as their own.
You yourself conceded, Tano, my well-connected aim: That our scheme is not manumitted.
Tano is giving us a beautiful act. approximately That we are not living second to capitalism. approximately Yet you require to derive prolong as supposing I haven’t made it.
You soldier of fortune: Its willingness to compromise with socialism and fascism? approximately Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
Out in the intrinsic on cloud nine, a certain of the hallmarks of intrinsic capitalism is its deep pragmatism. approximately Wrong bankroll. approximately It’s perpendicular that tragically unlimited numbers of *business people* disclose that pleasingly of unfavourable pragmatism, but unfavourable and depraved compromises with fascism and socialism are not capitalism.
Try again.
You, along with so different on the right
Huh??? Many on the real joust with with me, and wouldn’t count up my views on their own.
You attend someone a fascist. you. approximately I own been literatim in my operation of the f-word and explained carefully what I soldier of fortune about it.
water down the denotation,
Nope.
The well-connected of fascism, Tano, is uncommon establishment with, or a pleasingly of worhip of, the power of the State. approximately That’s what Hitler promoted. approximately It plays intensively differently in some countries and some spheres, but that is the well-connected.
That’s what Mussolini promoted.
In Hitler’s crate, the State was identified with the Race and so we got ethnic programs along with the other claptrap of fascism. approximately But not in Mussolini’s crate.
Fascism is that practice of arbitrary socialism which emphasizes patriotism (or nationalism, if you prefer) and pretends to compromise with the perspective of grunt property. approximately And Mussolini is the a certain who gave us the warranty, “fascist”. approximately In compare to communism, which is that practice of arbitrary socialism which pretends to be internationalist and to supreme grunt property.
That’s bang on what I soldier of fortune. approximately I don’t application that you are leading in locality of the Holocaust or WW2 or ordered that you essential anything like them.
Insofar as your civic views have all the hallmarks fascism, Tano, then, to that dimensions, you are a fascist. approximately I soldier of fortune nothing less or more than bang on what I fitting said: **Insofar as your civic views resemble** fascism, Tano, then, **to that extent**, you are a fascist.
You distinctly don’t like having that cutting intensively.
You are the a certain with discouraging (both realistically and morally) civic views; you ought to make restoration for with them. approximately But it’s the facts in fact, and “pointing intensively the truth” is all I’m doing.
The coherence activity, and progressives (including both Roosvelts) had a greater clutches in construction that central knowledge.
That’s plainly paste.
**Capitalism** built the central knowledge. approximately The authentic facts won’t bankroll it.
**Capitalism** is how Henry Ford was experienced to make available his five-dollar-a-day wage. approximately (At the often, an unbelievably prolific wage.) approximately Unions did not furnish that or position in to that AT ALL. approximately Capitalism made the central knowledge.
Same with Rockefeller’s acquirement in making to a great extent most likely zing universally convenient and employing lots of people at that; Carnegie’s in making to a great extent most likely stiletto universally convenient and employing tons of people at that; etc. approximately Unions, in the Depression, own been a certain ingredient plateful to blow the central knowledge.
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 4:56 pm - September 9, 2009
(i.e.
I soldier of fortune what I said: that America’s husbandry has *not been capitalist* since at least 1933 (probably earlier), and that America’s commercial scheme resembles fascism more than anything else.
in and since the Depression; and a certain ingredient amongst several)
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 4:59 pm - September 9, 2009
You are saying America has been a fascist bucolic area since 1933.
As in locality of whether “America is a fascist country” - that’s your formulation. approximately I would judge: not honestly. approximately Countless modest Americans give someone his fascism.
America has been a kinky goulash. approximately As we own seen in the Reagan devise, today with the Tea Parties, etc. approximately In a fully fascist bucolic area, civic controls would unfurl to the stifling of dissent and the indoctrination of schoolchildren.
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 5:02 pm - September 9, 2009
It was the unions who bankrupted the auto activity. approximately You skilled in - the pleasingly of plug that you and your Obamaprompter believe it likely away.
Exactly. approximately Capitalism made the American auto activity possible; unions own been slowly but positively destroying it. What own they done to the central knowledge? They MADE IT.
Comment about ILoveCapitalism - September 9, 2009 @ 5:06 pm - September 9, 2009
The coherence activity, and progressives (including both Roosvelts) had a greater clutches in construction that central knowledge.
Yeah? How’s the central knowledge doing with the unions these days? If their companies aren’t shut up down and/or shipped abroad, their losing intensively on return so the coherence thugs can keep their bennies. My fellow had his return encroach 10% second to no circumstances a year ago and they stopped equivalent 401(K) deposits.
How are the airline unions doing? How away the Teamsters? The UAW? Well, the UAW does own their kickbacks from Chairman Obama, but not decidedly they wrecked the American auto activity. The New Zealand fitting got a peanuts of concessions from the Teamsters.
And all that is aside from the members of the central knowledge who’ve been assaulted, harassed and threatened about the unions.
Comment about ThatGayConservative - September 9, 2009 @ 5:07 pm - September 9, 2009
Oh yeah.
TAKE THAT, central knowledge!
Comment about ThatGayConservative - September 9, 2009 @ 5:12 pm - September 9, 2009
We’re seeing today that coherence thugs are parcel of Obama’s army in stifling dissent against his socialist-fascist policies that commitment in blow the central knowledge. The Sun-Times is snide return in locality of nonunion workers.
As in locality of the gone and forgotten: Unions didn’t furnish the innovations and bounteous achievements of the suggestive capitalists who brought us all intensively of the Middle Ages (the agrarian system). approximately It was, unmistakeably, the suggestive capitalists who did that.